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		<title>What causes sin?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Attending Church one eventually hears the topic of sin. Sin is usually attributed to various things such as lying, greed, stealing, killing, etc; yet much like a doctor’s office they typically only provide solutions to fix the symptoms never really taking care of the root problem. So we ask for God’s forgiveness and close our [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-indent: 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Calibri;">Attending Church one eventually hears the topic of sin. Sin is usually attributed to various things such as lying, greed, stealing, killing, etc; yet much like a doctor’s office they typically only provide solutions to fix the symptoms never really taking care of the root problem. So we ask for God’s forgiveness and close our eyes to the root problem. With this solution we seem good for the time being, but soon slip back into life sin. Unfortunately, until the root problem is understood the situation will not get better and our lives will continue to be in a repeating pattern.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">               </span>I’ve heard that traveling the world one can see a difference between affluent and poor people. The poor people always seem to be smiling and content with what little they have appreciating the simple things in life. There is little to worry about when one has nothing. Yet, affluent people on the other hand are often concerned and worried about what the future will bring. With wealth brings responsibility and the fear of loss. In one of the richest nations, the United States, people are in a continual state of consumption and personal achievement; never having enough. This life style can often breed greed, lying, cheating, stealing, envy, lust along with many other sinful ways. The Bible gives us guidance on how we should live. If we look carefully enough, we’ll even find the root problem to all sins which will aid us in living Christ like.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">               </span>A rich man once approached Jesus and asked how he might obtain eternal life. Jesus told him to obey the Ten Commandments. Having kept all of the commandments the man wondered what he still lacked. Jesus told him that in order to be perfect the man would have to sell his possessions and give to the poor; after that he could follow Christ. When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he was very wealth. Jesus then said, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 19:16-24, NIV). This wasn’t necessarily about the money; it was more about living a selfless life.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">               </span>God’s ways are higher than mankind’s. God created this world not for his benefit, but for our benefit; God’s ways are selfless in nature. When Adam was created he was put on Earth to maintain it and to be its keeper. When Eve was put on this Earth, it was to help Adam and to be his partner. We were created with the original intent of living selfless lives. But then our human nature took effect, Adam and Eve wanted to acquire knowledge and be like gods thus eating the fruit. Many people would say that the sin was disobeying God and not following God’s orders. Yet if we look at the situation carefully the reason for the disobedience was the pursuit of personal gain, a self centered act thus detaching us from God’s intent and purpose. God’s purpose for us is to live a life of selflessness. Being self-centered is the root of all sins.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;">               </span>Let’s handle the first objection, what if someone commits a selfless sin such as killing on someone else’s behalf? I believe that God would see the overall good in matter of a selfless act. For example, Moses killed an Egyptian who was beating a Hebrew. Obviously Moses was forgiven and later used by God. Yet, it’s hard to imagine anyone killing anybody without some motive. Jesus obviously doesn’t condone killing while giving a selfless examples of turning the other cheek, loving your enemies, and praying for those that persecute you.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-indent: 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Calibri;">Jesus had been questioned in regards to which of the commandments was the greatest. Jesus first answered, “Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, and soul and next love your neighbor as yourself.“(Matthew 22:39, NIV). The only way this is possible is to live a life of selflessness. Jesus in his very nature was the perfect example of one who lived selfless life style; an example that we should all strive to follow. Note Romans 8:5, “Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.” (NIV) “Put to death whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.” (Colossians 3:5, NIV). </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-indent: 0.5in;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Calibri;">In short our sinful natures are a result of trying to fulfill our natural desires. We’ve heard of such things as the “Me generation,” and the pursuit of Happiness which is often equated to wealth and achievement. Children often start life care free and charitable but quickly become accustomed to our self-seeking life styles. The root of the problem is that we are naturally self-centered and without taking a conscious step into being selfless, society will continue living a downward spiral driven on ever expanding desires with a thirst that will never be quenched as we tear at one another to get ahead. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">God intended us to be selfless, mankind chose to be selfish. Our pride and self consuming nature is the root of all sin.</span></p>
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		<title>Required Vaccines?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It not that I fear vaccines, only those who are making the vaccines.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It not that I fear vaccines, only those who are making the vaccines.</p>
<p>It must be noted that the Government does not have a clean record when it comes to faulty vaccines and often hides the negative impacts that have resulted. The weakened virus is typically the least of our worries in these shots versus the added chemical which are present. Who really wants a Mercury injected via a flu shot? For kids there are plenty of studies that show the adverse affects that can result. In my opinion mandating any shot is a violation against ones liberties. And if one attempts to keep their child at home in order to avoid getting the shot, law enforcement can be used along with Child Protection Services (CPS) to potentially take the kids away. Home school will soon be the only option. Our system is quickly removing our parental right to raise our children, and it doesn&#8217;t stop there&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/education/story/A7867DA021537F958625764A00045F8C?OpenDocument" target="_blank">More are forgoing vaccines for kids</a></p>
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<div class="stl-story-headline">More are forgoing vaccines for kids</div>
<div class="stl-story-byline">By <a class="stl-story-byline" href="mailto:VSchremp@post-dispatch.com">Valerie Schremp Hahn</a></div>
<div class="stl-story-agency">ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH</div>
<div class="stl-story-timestamp" style="margin-bottom: 20px;">Friday, Oct. 09 2009</div>
<div class="stl-story-p">School nurses have until next week to tell Missouri whether students have all<br />
the vaccinations required to attend school.</div>
<p>And it&#8217;s likely thousands of children won&#8217;t have them.</p>
<p>In the past several years, more and more Missouri schoolchildren have skipped<br />
immunizations for religious or medical reasons. Now health experts fear even<br />
more parents will resist efforts to vaccinate children against swine flu.</p>
<p>Though only a small fraction of parents have excluded their children from<br />
mandatory school vaccinations, last year about 7,600 schoolchildren got<br />
exemptions for each of the required shots. Five years before, that number was<br />
about 4,900. That&#8217;s a 55 percent increase in exemptions at a time when<br />
enrollment has remained steady.</p>
<p>In less than a fourth of the cases, the exemptions are for doctor-approved<br />
reasons, such as allergies or a natural immunity to a disease. Far more often,<br />
parents simply claim a religious exemption, which the state or school does not<br />
verify.</p>
<p>School officials often suspect the parent is simply wary and doesn&#8217;t<br />
necessarily have a particular religious belief about vaccines; officials are<br />
left to promote the medical benefits and quell fears.</p>
<p>Schools are playing a greater role in immunizing children — many will serve as<br />
distribution centers this fall for vaccines for the H1N1 virus, otherwise known<br />
as swine flu. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it is having<br />
to reassure concerned parents, worried that the testing and production was<br />
rushed, that the vaccine is safe.</p>
<p>Koreen Bowers of Jefferson County is not getting regular flu or H1N1 shots for<br />
her three daughters. She figured she would rather deal with the risk of getting<br />
sick from the flu rather than getting sick from the vaccine.</p>
<p>According to an Associated Press poll, as many as 38 percent of parents said<br />
they were unlikely to give permission for their kids to be vaccinated for H1N1<br />
at school, often over concerns about side effects.</p>
<p>Bowers put her daughters on a delayed and selective schedule for other<br />
vaccinations after her oldest daughter, now 6, became jittery and unable to<br />
sleep after receiving vaccinations as an infant. She got religious exemptions<br />
for the oldest daughter, now in first grade, and the middle daughter, now in<br />
kindergarten.</p>
<p>The girls attend a private Lutheran school, and Bowers has since learned some<br />
other school parents have done the same. &#8220;I just think people need to be open<br />
to different alternatives and do a little bit more research,&#8221; she said. &#8220;It<br />
doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t care for their kid; it doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re antivaccine.<br />
It means you&#8217;re doing what you think is best.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeannie Ruth, the bureau chief of immunizations for the state of Missouri, says<br />
the increasing numbers of parents who opt out of vaccines is a concern, but not<br />
statistically significant. &#8220;But we&#8217;re not going to ignore it, and we&#8217;re going<br />
to continue to educate people so they understand the safety of vaccines,&#8221; she<br />
said.</p>
<p>Linda Neumann, president of the Missouri Association of School Nurses and a<br />
nurse at Hixon Middle School in the Webster Groves School District, said this<br />
year seven of Hixon&#8217;s 650 students have religious exemptions on file. Most are<br />
Christian Scientists, who may choose not to get their children vaccinated.<br />
Usually fewer than 10 students every year have exemptions, she said.</p>
<p>&#8220;If it&#8217;s for their organized religion, we have to respect that,&#8221; Neumann said.<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s the parents that come in and say, &#8216;I hear there&#8217;s a religious exempt card<br />
I can sign.&#8217; Those are the parents we invite to sit down, and we just talk<br />
about immunizations. Most of the time they get (their children) immunized.&#8221;</p>
<p>About 9,700 Illinois schoolchildren, a fraction of a percent of all students,<br />
got religious and medical exemptions for the most common vaccines last school<br />
year, and about 5,300 of them got exemptions 10 years before that. That<br />
represents an 83 percent increase at a time of stable school enrollment.</p>
<p>Anxiety about immunizations is on the rise, even as the cases of<br />
vaccine-preventable diseases has decreased. The Journal of the American Medical<br />
Association has tracked an increase in nonmedical vaccine exemptions between<br />
1991 to 2004.</p>
<p>All states permit medical exemptions, 48 allow religious exemptions, and 18<br />
states allow exemptions based on philosophical or personal beliefs, according<br />
to the National Vaccine Information Center. Missouri and Illinois allow only<br />
religious and medical exemptions.</p>
<p>The reasons for anxiety about vaccines vary. Some parents don&#8217;t like the idea<br />
of the government telling them how to oversee their children&#8217;s health. Others<br />
may fear adverse reactions, ranging from swelling at the injection site to<br />
death.</p>
<p>In recent years, the most explosive issue has involved allegations from vaccine<br />
safety groups that some vaccines are tied to autism, but federal officials cite<br />
multiple studies that can&#8217;t prove a link.</p>
<p>Karla Allsberry of Troy, Mo., chose not to give her now 10-year-old son any<br />
more immunizations or boosters because of severe reactions he had as a baby and<br />
toddler. She said he became ill with intestinal problems and rashes, and his<br />
arm swelled.</p>
<p>He has a medical exemption on file, even though her son is now home-schooled,<br />
Allsberry says. Her younger son, 4, attends preschool two mornings a week and<br />
is exempted for religious reasons. Because of his brother&#8217;s reactions,<br />
Allsberry has not had him vaccinated, and the boy is very healthy, she said.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not an antivaccine person, I just advocate for safer vaccines,&#8221; says<br />
Allsberry, who would like to see more third-party oversight on vaccine<br />
ingredients like thimerosal. &#8220;I don&#8217;t think anybody — a doctor, the governor —<br />
should tell a parent that they should or should not get their child vaccinated.<br />
I think it&#8217;s the parent&#8217;s decision to decide that.&#8221; And parents should learn<br />
for themselves what goes into vaccines, she said.</p>
<p>Studies say unvaccinated children are at risk for vaccine-preventable diseases,<br />
and interventions such as school immunization requirements have led to record<br />
or near-record lows in the levels of vaccine-preventable diseases. Experts also<br />
say the vaccines have been proven safe.</p>
<p>&#8220;The most common side effects are just redness at the injection site and some<br />
swelling. Other side effects are very rare,&#8221; said Arleen Porcell-Pharr,<br />
spokeswoman for the CDC. &#8220;The decision of not getting your child vaccinated is<br />
not without risk either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ruth, with the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services, says the<br />
department has sponsored several more ad campaigns in the past year than<br />
previously, mainly because it is getting more immunization grant funds from the<br />
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The campaign includes public<br />
service announcements in English and Spanish on radio stations and magazines<br />
such as Rural Missourian, which reaches audiences that might not have access to<br />
information on vaccines or adequate medical services.</p>
<p>&#8220;We really need to have healthy Missourians,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Vaccines are one of<br />
the best public health practices ever. When you look at how disease rates have<br />
gone down by 98 percent because of vaccines, that just makes you feel good at<br />
the end of the day.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Bad Public Relations for God</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So where exactly was God when the Neumann&#8217;s gave up prayers for their daughter? Could God be absent? Jesus&#8217; followers did see him leave ascending into the sky and were told that he&#8217;d return in the same way. Was this case a slap in the face to a God who is suppose to be omnipotent? [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where exactly was God when the Neumann&#8217;s gave up prayers for their daughter? Could God be absent? Jesus&#8217; followers did see him leave ascending into the sky and were told that he&#8217;d return in the same way. Was this case a slap in the face to a God who is suppose to be omnipotent? If God knew that it would give him bad Public Relations (PR) and help the Atheist point of view, you&#8217;d think that he would have done a slight miracle of some kind. Unlike Job in the Bible these people has signs and could have prevented the death of their daughter.</p>
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<div style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-top: 0px;">&#8220;An expert on religion says the Neumanns may have become too focused on one way of thinking in their religious beliefs, and that may have ultimately contributed to their daughter&#8217;s death.&#8221;</div>
<div style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-top: 0px;"><a href="http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/63702142.html" target="_blank">ARTICLE: Expert On Religion Says Neumanns May Be Too Focused In Their Religious Thinking</a> </div>
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<p><span id="more-78"></span>It is interesting to see rationality meeting up with religion. I do believe a family has the right to seek or avoid medical assistance. However, there does come a valid point in a life or death situation of a child where one should be required to seek medical attention or consultation such as in this case. In some cases such as cancer it might be best to alleviate the child&#8217;s pain and make the best of the situation allowing them to enjoy what little they have left. In Wisconsin some are looking for reform and have some concern.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It [legislation] does not change any existing laws that require medical care for children who are at risk of serious illness.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20091009/WDH06/910090301" target="_blank">COLUMN: Reform faith-healing law right</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Technically all children have a potential risk for serious illness unless you live in a glass bubble. Unfortunately, I would hate to see this case be used for a hidden agenda, taking away the rights of parents to decide on immunization shots for their children. I would not be surprised if they use this case down the line to take out religion as a reason to avoid medical attention such as a flu vaccine. Rather than taking precautionary drugs with possible side effects (such as death), I personally would prefer to avoid any and all treatments until I had proven ill or dying.</p>
<p>This case and what stems from it will definitely be something to watch.</p>
<p>Some related links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/63681302.html" target="_blank">http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/63681302.html</a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #810081;"><a href="http://www.mauritiustimes.com/091009drgopee.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mauritiustimes.com/091009drgopee.htm</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #810081;"><a href="http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20091009/APC06/910090494/Column--Girl-who-died-while-parents-prayed-deserved-better" target="_blank">http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20091009/APC06/910090494/Column&#8211;Girl-who-died-while-parents-prayed-deserved-better</a></span></span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/10/091007_prayer_medicine_wup_sl.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/10/091007_prayer_medicine_wup_sl.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>Message of Christ?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question: What do you think was the message of Christ?
Most would probably said that Christ came as a living sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. But now look at what Jesus said his message was&#8230;
Luke 4:43 &#8220;I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other cities also; for I was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: What do you think was the message of Christ?<br />
Most would probably said that Christ came as a living sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. But now look at what Jesus said his message was&#8230;</p>
<p>Luke 4:43 &#8220;I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other cities also; for I was sent for this purpose.&#8221;</p>
<p>Luke 8:1 &#8220;<strong><sup><span style="font-size: xx-small;">1</span></sup></strong>After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Luke 9:11 &#8220;He welcomed them and spoke to them about the kingdom of God, and healed those who needed healing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mark 1:15 &#8221;The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near; repent, and believe in the good news.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matthew 24:14 &#8220;And this good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matthew 6:9-10 &#8220;This then is how you should pray: &#8216;Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus&#8217; message and Good News was about the coming of God&#8217;s kingdom through Jesus Christ.</p>
<p> Man changed his message and I was told that I was wrong for agreeing with Jesus.</p>
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		<title>Is Jesus Omnipotent?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Omnipotent (Jer. 32:17,27), Omnipresent (Psalm 119:7-12), Omniscient (1 John 3:20)
Show me how Jesus is Omnipotent. How can this be possible when scripture clearly shows that he is in the flesh, yet has ascended into heaven and will return the same way he left? I guess it possible that the spirit of Jesus is with us, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omnipotent (Jer. 32:17,27), Omnipresent (Psalm 119:7-12), Omniscient (1 John 3:20)</p>
<p>Show me how Jesus is Omnipotent. How can this be possible when scripture clearly shows that he is in the flesh, yet has ascended into heaven and will return the same way he left? I guess it possible that the spirit of Jesus is with us, but then what about his physical body that is to return. If Jesus is here why does he let his people suffer? What if scripture is true and Christ is gone until his return as foretold in Revelations. The problem is that if Jesus isn&#8217;t omnipotent as the Bible shows, then the Trinity doesn&#8217;t hold up.</p>
<blockquote><p>Acts 1:11  &#8220;They said, &#8220;Men of Galilee, why are you standing here looking into the sky? Jesus, whom you saw taken up from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you saw him go.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had recently been talking with a friend about the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus and whether or not this showed a spiritual heaven; yet, I do not believe this is the purpose of the parable. The purpose of the parable is at the end of it. The parable is about a rich man [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Calibri;">I had recently been talking with a friend about the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus and whether or not this showed a spiritual heaven; yet, I do not believe this is the purpose of the parable. The purpose of the parable is at the end of it. The parable is about a rich man that was captive by death and the other man was brought up by Abraham into what I would presume was heaven. That being said the man tries to negotiate with Abraham to warn his brothers to live right so that they could be saved from death. Abraham tells the rich man that his brothers can learn from Moses and the prophets. But the rich man exclaims that if a dead person were to raise from the grave that they would truly change their heart and believe. Metaphorically this is speaking of Christ and his resurrection; one would think that after this event all would truly believe. Yet Abraham makes a statement, that if people will not believe Moses or the prophets, then they still will not believe one who comes back from the dead. In the parable Jesus was making a statement about himself exclaiming that there will still be people who won&#8217;t believe, even after his resurrection and these people will truly be lost just as the Rich Man was. This is the point that Jesus was telling through the parable.</span></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we should be more open to scripture. 
There are many questions to be answered. The scripture says that God is spirit, yet could this be said because no one of that time saw God? Enoch walked with God Genesis 5:24, Abraham clearly saw God Genesis 12:7, Moses and the Elders saw God Exodus 24:11. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">Maybe we should be more open to scripture. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">There are many questions to be answered. The scripture says that God is spirit, yet could this be said because no one of that time saw God? Enoch walked with God Genesis 5:24, Abraham clearly saw God Genesis 12:7, Moses and the Elders saw God Exodus 24:11. Just because we or others haven’t seen God physically isn’t enough to believe that he is only in spirit. Doesn’t the Revelation say that God will live with his people? How can he live with his people if he’s not a physical being or some type of entity with a presence?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">First I believe that one must realize that heaven is a physical place. Jesus was in a physical body upon his resurrection and ascended into the sky to be with his Father and God. In scripture sky and heaven are one in the same; this is the realm of God. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">I’ve often been perplexed over whether God is a spirit or is a being or another dimension.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">A spiritual heaven doesn’t make sense. Why would one die to be with the Father in a spiritual realm and then resurrect to be with the Son and away from the Father? The Bible says no such thing! When we are dead, we are but dust of the Earth until the resurrection where then Christ through the authority vested upon him by the Father will resurrect us to be with him. He will smite Satan and his Armies and then the Father will come and dwell with us and his Son. Note that scripture is clear that Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. Let me paraphrase it as Jesus says in the Lord prayer, “Our Father who is in heaven… your kingdom is to come as your will, will be done on earth just as it is already done in heaven”. One of Jesus’ greatest messages is that the Kingdom is at hand, we just can’t see it as it is somewhere out there in space. Even Jesus said, I am not of this world. This should make this whole statement obvious. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">The spirit or “breath of God” is given by God, also known as the breath of life. Upon death I believe it returns to the source, the Creator. The breath of God is what animates our soul. All living things are filled with the breath of life. I would believe that we all are of one spirit as that spirit comes from one source. Although, we can have a good or bad influence upon the spirit within depending on whether we chose the way of the world or the ways of God. He we pattern ourselves after Christ we will in essence have a Holy Spirit about us. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">In regards to the questions…</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">Question: 1</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">I would question how would anyone explain <a href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/Deut.%2032.3-4" target="_blank"><span style="color: #27638c;">Deut. 32:3-4</span></a> and <a href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/1%20Cor.%2010.2-4" target="_blank"><span style="color: #27638c;">1 Cor. 10:2-4</span></a> if Jesus is <span class="caps">NOT</span> God. I have not found an explanation justifying how these verses could possibly be made to harmonize.</span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">Answer: 1</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">In regards to the people that followed Moses, did they live forever or did they parish? The people did eventually parish. It says in 1 Cor. 10:4 “They drank from that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ.” If they had truly drunk of Christ life giving water than they would have never died, thus this was speaking of Christ coming in the future resurrection where all will drink of the life giving water Rev 22:1. Thus when it says followed them; it meant to proceed after them. Jesus even said that he was spoken of by Moses.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">Now let’s address Deut. 32:3-4 &#8220;The Rock! His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He.” I don’t see a contradiction, the passage says that a God and not the God. There are many lords and gods but for us there is only One! The LORD of Lords and the God of gods. We must remember that god can also mean judge and Christ has been <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">given</strong> all authority on earth and in heaven to judge. Of course this text can be written to try and give it a different meaning, but I don’t believe that we should try to do this when it is not concurrent throughout scripture. Scripture is clear that there is only One God and Father, and that Jesus sits at his right hand. I will add that v.18 does state that the Father was their Rock, thus showing that this is not a reference to Christ unless you were to believe that they are one in the same. Again I have to reference Isaiah 42:1 which clearly tells us that God planned to put his Spirit upon Christ. Unfortunately receiving God&#8217;s Holy Spirit doesn&#8217;t make one a litteral god or we&#8217;d all be gods; however receiving the word of God does give one the authority to judge as a god; meaning: one who passes judgement on mankind on God&#8217;s behalf. The best examples of this being Moses, Prophets, and Christ.</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">Question: 2</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin;">Also how would you explain the alpha and omega phrases in relation to Jesus and God being two or the same being.</span></p></blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Answer: 2</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">It must first be noted that Jesus didn’t know when he would return, only the father knew. The book of Revelation is message or truth about Christ that the Father revealed to him, so that he could show his servants what was to happen. Jesus’ sent his angel to show John what had been revealed to Christ’s by his Father. Thus the message is given by the Angel and speaks of both the Son and the Father. Note in Ch1 verse 4 “grace and peace to you from the <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">One who is and was and is coming [the Father], </strong>and from the <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">seven spirits</strong> before his throne, and from <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Jesus Christ</strong> [the Son who is shown as a separate individual]. V6 “…He [Christ] made us to be a kingdom of priests who serve God his Father.” One should remember this is all being spoken to John by an Angel. V8 says, “The LORD God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.” You will find in Revelation that God the Father is referred to as: the <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">One Seated on the Great White Throne, </strong>the <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Alpha and Omega</strong>.<strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"> </strong>Christ on the other hand is the first and the last which could be explained in 1 Cor. 15:45 &#8220;The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.” Jesus being both the first and the last, being both living and a life-giving spirit. What gets me is Revelation 22:13 which I will agree is hard to ignore. This could be as I believe the Father speaking, yet then there is the common use of “first and last” which was used by Christ in Revelation 2:8. Thus my only explanation on this would be that “first and last” may have multiple possible uses. If this verse was to be believed as implied then we would have to believe that the Father and the Son are one in the same person and/or being which I feel in contrary to scripture.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Sincerely,</span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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Thank you for touching on this as I have shared this thought process.
Isaiah 42:1-9 Clear tells us who Christ is.
v.1 God clearly speaks saying,
“Here is my servant, the one I support. He is the one I chose, and I am pleased with him. I have put [...]]]></description>
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<p>Thank you for touching on this as I have shared this thought process.</p>
<p><a class="lbsBibleRef" href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/Isaiah%2042.1-9" target="_blank">Isaiah 42:1-9</a> Clear tells us who Christ is.</p>
<p>v.1 God clearly speaks saying,</p>
<blockquote><p><em><span class="dquo">“</span>Here is my servant, the one I support. He is the one I chose, and I am pleased with him. I have put my Spirit upon him, and he will bring justice to all nations.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I’ve posted a few videos outlining various scripture that shows who Christ is and God purpose.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QaUtjqqx7o">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QaUtjqqx7o</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7gE74DF6Eo">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7gE74DF6Eo</a></p>
<p>From Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem,</p>
<blockquote><p><span class="dquo">“</span>It is important to remember the doctrine of the Trinity in connection with the study of God’s attributes. When we think of God as eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, and so forth, we may have a tendency to think only of God the Father in connection with these attributes. But the biblical teaching on the Trinity tells us that all of God’s atrributes are true of all three persons, for each is fully God.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I can’t find this in scripture. Read <a class="lbsBibleRef" href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/1%20Corinthians%2015.27-28" target="_blank">1 Corinthians 15:27-28</a> for this tells of Jesus’ place.</p>
<blockquote><p><span class="dquo">“</span><strong><sup>20</sup></strong>But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. <sup id="en-NIV-28724" class="versenum"><strong>21</strong></sup>For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. <sup id="en-NIV-28725" class="versenum"><strong>22</strong></sup>For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. <sup id="en-NIV-28726" class="versenum"><strong>23</strong></sup>But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. <sup id="en-NIV-28727" class="versenum"><strong>24</strong></sup>Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. <sup id="en-NIV-28728" class="versenum"><strong>25</strong></sup>For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. <sup id="en-NIV-28729" class="versenum"><strong>26</strong></sup>The last enemy to be destroyed is death. <sup id="en-NIV-28730" class="versenum"><strong>27</strong></sup>For he “has put everything under his feet.” <strong>Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. <sup id="en-NIV-28731" class="versenum">28</sup>When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.</strong>”</p></blockquote>
<p>You will clearly note a hierarchy. All things are put under Jesus, excluding God himself and then Jesus puts himself under God. This is clearly two different person with different levels of Authority.</p>
<p>Jesus is clearly in the flesh upon his resurrection and in Acts 1:11</p>
<blockquote><p>They said, “Men of Galilee, why are you standing here looking into the sky? Jesus, whom you saw taken up from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you saw him go.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m sorry to say it but Jesus has left the building until the time of his return; by the way he didn’t know when he’d return either, only the Father knew… What happened to being all knowing?</p>
<p>And then there is Heaven or the sky. Unfortunately the Church has been spouting of a false belief that heaven is a place that one goes to after their death. The Trinity along with other beliefs of a spiritual heaven are all through pagan influences. If one reads the scripture it is clear that heaven is a physical place beyond the sky and that one day Jesus will return from heaven to instill God’s kingdom.</p>
<p>I feel that it is also clear that the “Lamb of God” is Christ while the One sitting on the Throne is the Father clearly showing two godly beings.</p>
<p>If one read the definition of the word “god” they will note that is also means judge. Those who have been given the words of God have been given the authority to judge on God’s behalf thus making them like gods. How many times can we ignore the scriptures that say Jesus was sitting at the right hand of God.</p>
<p>People will argue about the Book of John and how Jesus was the Word made flesh. But one must also realize that the Book of John was written for the Greeks. The Greeks didn’t understand the concept of a prophet who spoke the Word of God via the spirit of God. Note the spirit of God gave the prophets the word of God, thus making them like gods giving them the authority to judge God’s people. The greeks did not understand the concept of God’s spirit, yet did have a concept of the mind of God or the “Logos”; meaning the thoughts or words of God. Thus God’s thoughts, the mind of God, the Logos became flesh manifested in Jesus. This is the same as the spirit became flesh manifested in Jesus just as the prophet too had received the spirit. The true meaning was lost or distorted in translation and then used for a bad premise.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I think this is hard to accept because people who share this view are looked down upon by the Church. I don’t believe one should accept a lie just because everyone else does, because then Satan has already defeated you.</p>
<p>What I do believe is important is that we realize that Christ was sent to this Earth to be an example. Being fulling human and living a life without sin is a testament that it is possible. And we should strive to be Christ like. Fortunately for us God is a forgiving and merciful God, especially if you follow after his Son. See Ezekiel 18 where it tells us that each man will be judge for his own actions. If a good man turns evil he will truely die, but if a evil man turns good he will truely be saved. [<a class="lbsBibleRef" href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/Micah%206.6-9" target="_blank">Micah 6:6-9</a>] Paraphrase, God doesn’t want your sacrifice he only wants you to do what is good, to do what is right and loving towards others, and to follow after him living a humble life.</p>
<p>God Bless</p></div>
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